Comments on: RealClimate Raises the Bar AGAINST Climate Models

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:22:39 +0000

The observation of a laboratory fluid flow that was inconsistent with the Navier Stokes equations would also falsify the climate models. There are tons of ways in which the climate models can be “falsified” on the basis of short term obersvations. Unfortunately, most of them involve falsifying well-established laws of physics.

By: Joe

Joe — Thu, 01 May 2008 21:48:23 +0000

The laboratory observation of CO2 absorbing infrared radiation and reemitting in the UV would constitute a single short term observation that falsified the climate models.

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Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:15:39 +0000

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Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:40:27 +0000

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By: omnologos

omnologos — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:11:36 +0000

To streamtracker:

I have explained why models in the “RC world” cannot be falsified by a single observation (”weather”, that is “noise”), or by a set of short-term observations (a “specific trajectory” about which they are “not too concerned”).

As for awards for climate models, I am all for that as long as they are used appropriately (in words of the RC’ers, as “scenarios” rather than “predictions” or “forecasts”). And “scenarios”, of course, cannot be tested against the real world either, as they contain no “prediction”. At most, they can be compared to past data.

By: streamtracker

streamtracker — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:43:12 +0000

Nonsense, that blog post in no way implies that the models can not be tested. They can and have been tested.

Here’s an article reporting on this year’s prestigious International Meteorological Organization winner. What did he win it for? Testing climate models.

And you make an a comment like this:

Is this “science”? Looks more like long-term guaranteed employment to me… No wonder Anthropogenic Climate Change has important detractors in the metereological community.

And what does the international metereological community do? They award their highest prize to someone testing climate change models.

By: jmrSudbury

jmrSudbury — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:21:49 +0000

Something that cannot be falsified cannot really be proven true either. Any theory that is not falsifiable is neither science nor useful from any perspective. — John M Reynolds

By: Alex Cull

Alex Cull — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:14:24 +0000

This appears to resemble theology rather than science; arguments about the number of angels on pinheads spring to mind. RealClimate’s line of reasoning also reminds me of Descartes’ proof of the existence of God.

Descartes:
1) Necessarily, God is perfect.
2) If God didn’t exist he would be less than perfect.
3) Therefore God exists.

RealClimate:
1) Necessarily the climate models cannot be falsified.
2) If the climate models didn’t represent reality, they could be falsified.
3) Therefore the climate models represent reality.

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Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:38:17 +0000

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By: bill-tb

bill-tb — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:46:56 +0000

Methinks they have too much insulation — But someone needs to explain why we are freezing.

By: politicaldookie

politicaldookie — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:29:40 +0000

Paging Kuhn! Meet the new science, same as the old science.